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Skyward Collapse Teaser 1
« on: April 11, 2013, 04:41:40 PM »
Original: http://christophermpark.blogspot.com/2013/04/skyward-collapse-teaser-1.html

Purely by coincidence, it's been exactly two weeks since we did our first teaser for our upcoming game Exodus of the Machine.  But did you know we're actually working on two new titles at the moment?

Our second upcoming game is called Skyward Collapse, and it's just now reaching a point where we're ready to show our first screenshot of it.  Aside from overlaying the logo in the lower left corner, this is exactly how the current build of the game looks as of about  10 minutes ago:


So just what is Skyward Collapse?  It's a turn-based 4x simulation god-game.

Overall Gameplay
Set high in the sky atop a floating landmass that you are actively constructing as the game progresses, you oversee two warring factions (Greeks and Norse).  Via solo play or co-op, you play as "The Creator," helping both sides of the conflict -- granting each side buildings, resources, and even new citizens.

However, the multitude of villages you create all have minds of their own, and will actively try to stomp the nearest still-standing village of the other faction.  Given the resources and appropriate buildings, your villagers will gear up for war without your direct interaction, and will fight it out to the best of their abilities.

Unlike most strategy games, your goal isn't to have either of the sides win.  "You" aren't represented by either of the sides, after all.  Instead your goal is to balance this conflict as best you can so that neither side gets wiped out.  You win by having the most points generated (read: most carnage) without either side committing genocide.

But you can't just strip them of the ability to gear up for war: roaming bandits make defense essential.  Not to mention, crime in each village goes up and up the longer it's without a military presence, until it collapses into anarchy.  You can construct embassies and assign traveling diplomats to them in an effort to reach a state of enlightenment where crime is no longer a threat, but this is difficult and only affects the two villages that are undergoing peace talks; their neighbors will remain as warlike as ever!

UPDATE: While we hadn't originally planned this, because of reader comments in a variety of places we've decided that we'll be adding a way to lose a campaign.  Here is our current brainstorming on how to lose.

Game Structure And Objectives
Gameplay takes place over three rounds (with a brief setup round occurring prior to that), each with a fixed number of turns that you can choose when you start the game.  During the time before your game ends, the goal is to get the highest possible score: your overall score is based on the lowest score of the two factions, so again keeping them in balance is key.

As you play, you'll also be trying to complete various meta-missions to increase your personal rank.  Every 10 missions you complete, you unlock not only the next rank, but also a new building for your towns!

Units, Economy, and Mythology
Oh, did I mention mythology yet?  Looks like not.  During the first round of the game, it's mostly just you and your villagers.  You can also directly summon certain powerful mythological creatures like minotaurs or the midgard serpent and so on, but these cost a lot of specialized resources that it takes a while to build up.

In round 2, you get to choose a Lesser God for each of the two factions.  Hermes, Idunn, etc.  Which one you choose out of your four options (per faction) has a big impact on how the rest of the game plays out.  Then when round 3 starts, you get to choose a Greater God to go along with them.  Zeus, Thor, and so on.  There's four choices per side here, too.

All in all the economic and military options are what you'd expect for a simulation game, but it's also probably our most streamlined game ever.  Easy to pick up, but there are already some really tricky advanced strategies that we've been coming up with.

Advanced Strategy Example
As one example of an advanced strategy: normally you can't control what units are being produced at, say, a barracks.  There are four units that get created in rotation at the barracks, archery ranges, and siege workshops (four per building, all unique per side, I mean).

So there's no control there for you: presuming that the resources are in place for the next unit in the rotation, it just creates that unit. For a novice player, there's nothing here to think about, and it's all very simple.  The barracks do what the barracks do.

However, the tricky part is that if you don't have the resources for the next unit in the rotation, then it keeps checking the other potential units in the queue until it finds one that it can create.  Do you see the trick now?

I suppose I also now need to mention that there are a lot of resources in the game.  Both "raw resources" which are collected and stored globally per faction, and then "finished goods" that are created on-demand by specialist craftsmen in an individual village.  Pigs are a good example of a raw resource, whereas bacon is a finished good.

Currently there are 15 raw resources, and 11 finished goods.  We're still polishing the exact mix of all those, though, so that may increase slightly by the time beta starts.  If that sounds overwhelming, it's not: the resources all have clearly-defined straightforward ways of being produced, and clearly-defined ways of being used.  Mostly your choice of how you gather and refine resources boils down to what you're trying to accomplish for a given faction or a specific village.  The resource production pipeline is actually one of your primary ways of exerting indirect control over your factions.

See the advanced strategy now?  Each unit at a military training facility has at least one resource that is unique to it, as well as some that are common to all of the units in that facility.  Therefore, you can control what units get produced in the rotation based on which finished goods you make available to that village.  Even better, you can figure out ways to manage the resources such that there are synergies between the different training facilities in a single village.

Other Things
Let's see, there are trading posts with a pretty straightforward trader model (but your traders are at risk of being attacked as they travel, which is what makes it interesting).  There are the aforementioned embassies.  There are three levels of schools to buff units in the towns containing those schools.  There is an (non-visual) upgrade model for all buildings and units.

You can place dozens of "special tokens" that are either general-mythological or specific-god-related.  You can smite land tiles, or make "military commandments" that gives some overriding orders to all the units of one faction (so that's a pretty big broadsword to be used carefully).

And there's some other stuff too, but this hits most of the high points from a broad level.  We're quite excited to be sharing this with you soon -- hopefully beta will be starting before the end of April, with a 1.0 in May!  When we hit beta we'll have everything in place and it will mostly be a matter of balance.
« Last Edit: April 12, 2013, 08:23:55 AM by x4000 »
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Re: Skyward Collapse Teaser 1
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2013, 04:50:25 PM »
Would it be too obvious if I said I like it? :)
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Re: Skyward Collapse Teaser 1
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2013, 04:56:35 PM »
Would it be too obvious if I said I like it? :)

Yes, but it's always nice to hear.  ;D
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Re: Skyward Collapse Teaser 1
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2013, 05:42:12 PM »
This sounds awesome!

I guess I took the title literally and thought that pieces of the "board" could actually Collapse out of the Sky. Can that happen?
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Re: Skyward Collapse Teaser 1
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2013, 06:08:15 PM »
When you smite them, yeah. But normally on placement they will fly upwards (skyward means up). :)
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Re: Skyward Collapse Teaser 1
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2013, 06:30:47 PM »
So can the board get "bigger" as the game continues? Or does it stay about the same size?
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Re: Skyward Collapse Teaser 1
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2013, 06:34:12 PM »
So can the board get "bigger" as the game continues? Or does it stay about the same size?

It gets bigger on most turns. The game is about building the board.

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Re: Skyward Collapse Teaser 1
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2013, 06:56:03 PM »
Actually it gets bigger every turn -- I can't think of a way to skip that, even if you place a tile and smite a tile on both factions. Two more still get added between turns.

So most of the time, since smiting is pretty rare, there are 4 tiles added per turn. Two by you, two random.
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Re: Skyward Collapse Teaser 1
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2013, 07:11:00 PM »
So the goal is to ensure a stalemate? That's awesome!  :o

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Re: Skyward Collapse Teaser 1
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2013, 07:18:31 PM »
Well, I simplified it a bit -- it's actually harder than just that. Your goal is to cause as much carnage as possible while still maintaining a stalemate. And the sides are heavily asymmetrical, too. Though you can play Greek on Greek or Norse on Norse if you like. The tricky thing is you want as much fighting and destruction as possible in order to maximize points, but you don't want to make so much carnage that you lose the ability to make more carnage. Economic/construction stuff certainly nets you plenty of points too, but fighting typically is more effective.

In reality it's not possible for one side to outright lose, because you can just place more buildings and civilians for them. That said, if things get that one sided you're basically going to have a horrible end score because it takes the lowest of the two. Maintaining a stalemate isn't strictly required, but you want both teams to have as high a score as possible, and so if someone gets obliterated it's hopefully at the very last. ;)
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Re: Skyward Collapse Teaser 1
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2013, 07:30:29 PM »
So how do you lose then? Or can you?

It wouldn't be an Arcen game if you couldn't lose in a horrible and violent way :D

By the way, if this game does well (and I hope it does), it would be awesome if you could add some more religions (maybe modern religions) in the expansions. I really like the idea that you can use them interchangeably in the game, and that they all have their own flavor! Awesome!
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Re: Skyward Collapse Teaser 1
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2013, 08:05:23 PM »
Well, I simplified it a bit

I may have simplified my explanation of the game, but not my interest!  ;D

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Re: Skyward Collapse Teaser 1
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2013, 08:09:48 PM »
You actually can't lose in this game, although you can... fail to win very well.  I'm not explaining that very well.

Basically, at any given point in time, you're doing two things at once:
1. Trying to maximize your score in the current game, by balancing things well and generally doing the stuff I mentioned before.  Yay leaderboards, and also there are some other benefits that we've not talked about yet (and which I don't want to quite yet, as they aren't finalized or implemented, and I want to be sure I have time for that).
2. Working on a handful of missions out of the 100 possible missions, trying to get to higher ranks (out of 10) and get the unlockable buildings (also 10).  Those in turn feed back into better scores, as well as also new functionality for your factions.

It's not possible to fail to complete a campaign, but it's quite possible to fail to get a good score, and it's also quite possible to fail all your missions, heh.

In terms of more civilizations with their own mythologies, that's something we definitely want to do if it does well enough.  This game is going to be super cheap ($5), so most likely those would be in expansions.  Right now the Greeks and Norse are very different, but roughly equivalent.  For the first expansion, if there is one, what I'd be more interested in doing is adding an overpowered and an underpowered civilization in.  Basically those would be interesting and challenging because keeping one from obliterating the other or getting obliterated would be much harder!  Having things out of balance actually would make for a more challenging scenario rather than something that was in any way cheesable, heh.

In terms of doing modern religions, that's something I'm not going to touch with a ten foot pole!  But going with other ancient mythologies in a fictionalized way is interesting to me.  This is also really not set on Earth, it's just based on the Greeks and Norse.  It's all grounded in the real mythology, but we took some liberties with some things.  For instance, the Norse didn't really fight with siege weapons, so we got creative with the sorts of things you might have seen if they did (plus also just going a bit sideways with the siege concept as a whole, in a way I really liked; arsonists, etc).  So the possibility is there for us to do some completely-fictitious civilizations if we run out of things to do that are historically-based at some point.  Not that I think that will happen anytime soon!
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Re: Skyward Collapse Teaser 1
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2013, 08:10:17 PM »
Well, I simplified it a bit

I may have simplified my explanation of the game, but not my interest!  ;D

Oh not at all, I understood!  I just meant that I hadn't explained it very fully. :)
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