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Units with vanity will still kill stuff. Just not intentionally.Just drop few mythologicals in places you need cleaned up.
The funny thing is, you're describing very well why a survival victory condition is completely broken. You have to go really out of your way just to get stuff destroyed. Notice in my save game how everything is nuts and complete destruction of a faction is not even close to happening.
10 turns before the end of round one and I had about 40 units around the board all fighting. I need 3000 more points to make the gate (it's normal level). I bust out yggdrasil.
I am happy. THIS is the game that was advertised.
EDIT: Score achieved on turn 37. Phew!
EDIT2: Attached a save for anyone interested. Pure chaos.
Hm, I'm already finding that the points may be WAY out of wack here; Yggdrasil, as far as I can tell, is the *only* way to reach certain numbers of points in certain situations (not a good thing!). I cant imagine how in the bloody hell I could possibly get 5000 at the end of the first age WITHOUT it, because there's just no way to get that many units out that fast, and tokens arent really worth anything anymore (seriously, you could actually just take the score off of those at this point). The low score on the tokens also seems to create alot less reason to use those: Alot of tokens actually DO NOT result in more kills to buildings/units (and thus more points), they simply shift the balance so the kills are happening on one side as opposed to the other; only tokens that actually CREATE more units can really affect score all that much. Alot less of a risk/reward thing now, it's back to a risk/necessity sort of idea. Again, Yggdrasil seems to be the only exception, and MAYBE Eldhrimner to a point (but it's a muuuuuch weaker effect). The score gates seem like they were very definitely balanced (or at least somewhat balanced, hah) around the original score values of the tokens and such. ....is it just me, or is a single kill worth exactly FIVE points? I'm pretty sure that's what I'm seeing here. I hadnt really looked at the numbers that hard before.
And that's all BEFORE taking woes into effect. My current game is starting me with the serial murderer one, which..... yeah, that aint gonna help here, heh. Might have to actually turn the score gating off here for now.
5000 points is just 50 building deaths. So you really need to go crazy with the siege units. If buildings don't get killed you won't get close to what you need.
Hmm.... still seems really unbalanced to me. "Spam siege units" isnt a very interesting strategy, not to mention that FIFTY buildings in one go is.... well, particularly in the first age, I'd basically be creating entire cities JUST to allow them to be wrecked. AKA, build cities made of nothing but the cheapest buildings, no military at all (so they cant defend and thus slow it down), and put them in the dumbest possible spots (the spots that make it super easy for enemies to get there). Definitely seems to still be a major problem.
And this, of course, is assuming that the siege units do their job without being wrecked by stuff (unlikely!). I think Cinth's screenshot there is a good example of the current unbalance.
For now, I am indeed just turning it off.... the numbers are much too screwed up at the moment. Again though, I dont think the system itself should be changed whatsoever, I absolutely love the idea.... it's just the actual numbers that need tweaking.
10 turns before the end of round one and I had about 40 units around the board all fighting. I need 3000 more points to make the gate (it's normal level). I bust out yggdrasil.
I am happy. THIS is the game that was advertised.
EDIT: Score achieved on turn 37. Phew!
EDIT2: Attached a save for anyone interested. Pure chaos.
Hm, I'm already finding that the points may be WAY out of wack here; Yggdrasil, as far as I can tell, is the *only* way to reach certain numbers of points in certain situations (not a good thing!). I cant imagine how in the bloody hell I could possibly get 5000 at the end of the first age WITHOUT it, because there's just no way to get that many units out that fast, and tokens arent really worth anything anymore (seriously, you could actually just take the score off of those at this point). The low score on the tokens also seems to create alot less reason to use those: Alot of tokens actually DO NOT result in more kills to buildings/units (and thus more points), they simply shift the balance so the kills are happening on one side as opposed to the other; only tokens that actually CREATE more units can really affect score all that much. Alot less of a risk/reward thing now, it's back to a risk/necessity sort of idea. Again, Yggdrasil seems to be the only exception, and MAYBE Eldhrimner to a point (but it's a muuuuuch weaker effect). The score gates seem like they were very definitely balanced (or at least somewhat balanced, hah) around the original score values of the tokens and such. ....is it just me, or is a single kill worth exactly FIVE points? I'm pretty sure that's what I'm seeing here. I hadnt really looked at the numbers that hard before.
And that's all BEFORE taking woes into effect. My current game is starting me with the serial murderer one, which..... yeah, that aint gonna help here, heh. Might have to actually turn the score gating off here for now.
5000 points is just 50 building deaths. So you really need to go crazy with the siege units. If buildings don't get killed you won't get close to what you need.
