0005871: HBC modules - Arcen Idea Tracker (Bugs and Features)

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(0019012) TechSY730 (reporter) Feb 13, 2012 1:08 pm	Kieth mentioned in the release notes explicitly that the changes were only for the standalone ones. I'm guessing that means he realized that the modules need to be looked at, but he has something a bit different in mind for them, instead of just merely copying the stats over.

(0019013) Spikey00 (reporter) Feb 13, 2012 1:30 pm	"Heavy Beam Cannons (just the human standalone ones, not any of the spire variants, though the spire variants were impacted by the m+c and knowledge cost changes)" D'oh, my eyes just glanced over that part immediately to the wonderful turret buffs. Still, I think they should be buffed... maybe not the Spire city ones which already do 500k damageshots, but the fleet ones. 100k3/6/12 is significantly weak.

(0019014) keith.lamothe (administrator) Feb 13, 2012 1:36 pm	I was tempted to buff the module ones (they're defined in the same block of code, I had to intentionally exclude them) but I was under the impression that spire capital ships were already basically OP. A fun, not-entirely-over-the-moon kind of OP, but I figured that pushing that even more by buffing the HBC modules wouldn't be a great idea :)

(0019015) TechSY730 (reporter) Feb 13, 2012 1:37 pm edited on: Feb 13, 2012 2:16 pm	100k is weak. Wow, just look at how much HP has been inflated over the year or two. I am almost tempted to suggest, for EVERYTHING in the game, dividing all HPs, weapon damages, armor, armor peircing, and all other linearly scaled stuff dealing with durability, by 10, or maybe even 100. It would not change balance or pacing at all (short of rounding error), but it would make the numbers nicer to look at.

(0019019) Spikey00 (reporter) Feb 13, 2012 1:47 pm	I think they're essentially OP as well, but the numbers with them are weird as it is. If necessary, flat nerf the main beam weapons on the larger craft (or destroyers+ be unable to attack smaller craft, or 0.xx multiplier, something) and buff up the HBCs and remove their bonus multipliers? Then again, you probably would have to buff the lasers too...

(0019038) keith.lamothe (administrator) Feb 13, 2012 4:33 pm	If the HBC turrets are fun to use, and the spire capital ships are fun to use, I really don't see a reason to massively change the stats of one or the other simply for consistency's sake :) The shields that the spire ships use are very different because of spire technology, and while the laser/hbc stuff actually used by them also is a hybrid with human tech it's not like they have to be identical.

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Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
Feb 13, 2012 12:46 pm	Spikey00	New Issue
Feb 13, 2012 12:52 pm	tigersfan	Internal Weight	=> Feature Suggestion
Feb 13, 2012 12:52 pm	tigersfan	Status	new => considering
Feb 13, 2012 1:08 pm	TechSY730	Note Added: 0019012
Feb 13, 2012 1:30 pm	Spikey00	Note Added: 0019013
Feb 13, 2012 1:36 pm	keith.lamothe	Note Added: 0019014
Feb 13, 2012 1:37 pm	TechSY730	Note Added: 0019015
Feb 13, 2012 1:37 pm	TechSY730	Note Edited: 0019015	View Revisions
Feb 13, 2012 1:37 pm	TechSY730	Note Edited: 0019015	View Revisions
Feb 13, 2012 1:47 pm	Spikey00	Note Added: 0019019
Feb 13, 2012 2:16 pm	TechSY730	Note Edited: 0019015	View Revisions
Feb 13, 2012 4:33 pm	keith.lamothe	Note Added: 0019038

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