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|0006051||AVWW||Suggestion - UI Ideas||Feb 21, 2012 9:01 am||Mar 13, 2012 9:14 am|
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|Summary||0006051: Make resources mineable with just confirm button.|
|Description||I'm not sure if there still is any reason to require using spells to mine veins and such but now that mp regenerates I'd prefer not having to dig up fire touch or some other spell just for the sake of gathering a material.|
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Feb 21, 2012 9:03 am
|Tempting... but that leads to inconsistency. All sorts of background objects drop various goodies, and we don't want prompts coming up around all of them. Cedar logs are just as important as granite, and clay is really important also... but having prompts all over the place is undesirable. Even more to the point, those are meant to be subtly hidden items that you look for, so having it pop up a prompt is more in-your-face than I'd want.|
Feb 21, 2012 9:33 am
"...Even more to the point, those are meant to be subtly hidden items that you look for..."
Really? I think you are probably failing on that count, if we take plums as an example then I have literally no idea what a plum tree looks like, I simply mindlessly grind through deforesting entire regions, especially as doing so will always gain me something.
as a more on topic point, I think the idea is sound as long as you don't put the prompt in, which to be honest I don't think Enrymion was trying to suggest.
Feb 21, 2012 9:56 am
"Really? I think you are probably failing on that count, if we take plums as an example then I have literally no idea what a plum tree looks like, I simply mindlessly grind through deforesting entire regions, especially as doing so will always gain me something."
The fact that it doesn't work on you doesn't mean it isn't working. But it's a matter of the joy of discovery of something new, rather than just having prompts everywhere.
"as a more on topic point, I think the idea is sound as long as you don't put the prompt in, which to be honest I don't think Enrymion was trying to suggest."
And that breaks important tenets of UI design, leading to player confusion and bug reports. "I pressed a button and this tree just collapsed!" Etc. Consistency in a GUI is important, and so it needs to either always give an interaction prompt or never do so. Right now it always does, which I feel is important.
Feb 21, 2012 10:13 am
|Maybe a new enchant could be introduced which allows the player to mine without using a slot for a mining-type spell nor using mana; but has to use an enchant slot instead. As an alternative to a light source, perhaps. Then you could just explain on the tooltip for the enchant that pressing E (or equivalent) will now mine for you.|
Feb 21, 2012 10:14 am
|WOW do I like that. :)|
Feb 21, 2012 10:19 am
|Glad to be of service! ;)|
Feb 21, 2012 10:22 am
A lot of the more esoteric things that advanced players want, but which would be confusing to new players in particular, make perfect sense as enchants. And it's an awesome way to customize, too.
Hence the removal of general powersliding (which could get people stuck in holes when they didn't mean to), but adding a powerslide enchant (because many players love it), for instance.
I'm still getting used to thinking in those terms, but really the enchants system is the single greatest thing we've done in terms of giving us playstyle flexibility for stuff like this, I think. Very pleased with how that's turning out. :)
Feb 21, 2012 11:23 am
You might want to consider using enchants for storm dash too. It's fun but not particularly useful (except it might be in some mission types) so I think it'd be a good fit for something extra that you could swap in that would take away something else you might want (like light etc). As it is, it sits in my inventory, but I don't appreciate it much. Different level enchants could have different mana consumption rates, allowing you to run for longer, or different speeds.
In other words, it's not something I'd choose to work towards crafting (ie. a spell) but it's something I'd like to have. I think that describes most of the enchants. Double jumping (of different heights and mana usages) might fit here too.
And how about the most powerful enchants having down sides too? That would balance them out more and make you use them judiciously. Some could slow you down, some could disable certain elements... Maybe they should ALL have down sides of varying degrees? How's that for some real decision-making?
Feb 21, 2012 11:27 am
Storm dash is going to stay a spell -- so is ride the lightning, for that matter -- but we are putting in enchants for things like movement speed adjustments, double and triple jumping, etc. These sorts of things will let players really customize even further, but still gives them something they can craft if they can't find the enchant they want.
As a general rule, enchants also don't cost MP to use. However, they can have negative effects such as reducing max mana or whatever. Overall we haven't done that much, although the stone legs one does. All of that sort of thing is really a discussion for next week or after, though, as right now we're focused a bit elsewhere.
Mostly. There are a few enchants I'm working on at the moment, relating to double jumps and such. But the only reason I'm doing those now is that they require recoding much of the jump mechanics in general, and I want to have that done before beta phase 3 so that the bugs can be shaken out before then.
Feb 21, 2012 11:37 am
|Agreed on all counts there! :)|
Feb 21, 2012 1:28 pm
|As far as harvesting goes, I rarely bother carrying a touch spell any more - I just use miasma whip instead. I've found it an effective weapon and tool, combined into one!|
Feb 21, 2012 2:02 pm
|That's my preferred method also. :)|
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|Feb 21, 2012 9:01 am||Enrymion||New Issue|
|Feb 21, 2012 9:03 am||x4000||Internal Weight||=> New|
|Feb 21, 2012 9:03 am||x4000||Note Added: 0019485|
|Feb 21, 2012 9:03 am||x4000||Status||new => closed|
|Feb 21, 2012 9:03 am||x4000||Assigned To||=> x4000|
|Feb 21, 2012 9:03 am||x4000||Resolution||open => won't fix|
|Feb 21, 2012 9:33 am||Terraziel||Note Added: 0019487|
|Feb 21, 2012 9:56 am||x4000||Note Added: 0019490|
|Feb 21, 2012 10:13 am||zebramatt||Note Added: 0019492|
|Feb 21, 2012 10:14 am||x4000||Note Added: 0019493|
|Feb 21, 2012 10:14 am||x4000||Status||closed => confirmed|
|Feb 21, 2012 10:19 am||zebramatt||Note Added: 0019496|
|Feb 21, 2012 10:22 am||x4000||Note Added: 0019497|
|Feb 21, 2012 11:23 am||Bluddy||Note Added: 0019507|
|Feb 21, 2012 11:27 am||x4000||Note Added: 0019508|
|Feb 21, 2012 11:37 am||zebramatt||Note Added: 0019509|
|Feb 21, 2012 1:28 pm||Moo||Note Added: 0019513|
|Feb 21, 2012 2:02 pm||x4000||Note Added: 0019514|
|Mar 13, 2012 9:14 am||tigersfan||Internal Weight||New => Feature Suggestion|
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